He actually makes a lot of good points…
…But remember this guy’s anti-incel videos, so all we’re getting here is a more full picture of how he’s not getting the full picture (pun intended).
He actually makes a lot of good points…
…But remember this guy’s anti-incel videos, so all we’re getting here is a more full picture of how he’s not getting the full picture (pun intended).
The first one exemplifies what you’d exptect – that no one cares until a female gets the smackdown for challenging hypersexual conventions.
Then it reports on a chastity speaker being banned in Ireland because he also opposes homosexuality and contraception, which wouldn’t be that surprising except that he’s being banned at a couple of Catholic schools, of all places. I guess they must think that with Francis at the helm, the jig is up or something… Incidentally, I’m not downing chastity in any way here, but I will say that I saw a presentation by a touring chastity group at a high school back in the ’90s, and it was pretty damn cringeworthy. Look, celibates of all situations should have a right to live in peace, but it’s not like we have to make chastity “cool” or something. That’s like trying to make smoking “uncool” – it just doesn’t work. It has no social credibility. At one point, the chastity speaker I heard said, “I tell those people that I can be like you anytime I want, but you can never be like me ever again!” That’s ridiculous in at least two different ways…any incel who heard that and looks back on it is filled with rage.
And then they get into government paranoia about an incel rebellion… We’ve covered that plenty here, but it’s actually good to see these guys bringing that issue alongside the above two examples. Usually, tradcons try to keep the incel phenomenon completely separate from other examples of celibate persecution. They’ll go to bat for pre-marital abstinence all day long, with the understanding that the same tradcons are putting maximum pressure on the other side of their kids to get married, ignoring the fact that marriage isn’t really a personal choice or an easy thing for everyone to get into, like it was over 50 years ago. This article doesn’t go into that much detail of course, but just putting it in the same article is good. Amazingly, Infowars even linked it. I guess they forgot where Alex Jones stands on incels.
Two people were “canceled” over the past few days for recommending people wait until marriage to have sex and a new “threat assessment” from the Texas Department of Public Safety is proclaiming that people who don’t have sex are a domestic terrorism threat.
A woman who goes by Nurse Holly on social media, specifically on TikTok, where she has 1.7 million followers, is facing backlash for promoting abstinence as the “best” method for STD prevention in a video.
“The best way to prevent STDs is waiting for sex until marriage. Just the truth,” she says in recent TikTok that’s since been deleted but is still being widely shared on other platforms like Twitter.
if i go to get tested and the nurse tell me i should have waited till marriage SOMEONE is getting knocked tf out pic.twitter.com/cVnNENVIBi
— margo ♍︎ (@dumbbitchmargo) January 10, 2020
Holly, who did not want to disclose her full name or any personal information, told BuzzFeed News she deleted the video due to the backlash. She also apologized “for any offense that was taken” as she “only wish[es] to promote positivity and healthy lifestyles.”
People who watched her video commented that they felt it was irresponsible for her to suggest abstaining from sex as medical advice.
“Nurse Holly is wrong. The only way to ensure you never have any STD’s is to never have sex of any kind…which is unreasonable for most people,” one person tweeted in response.
The majority of responses are just a torrent of hatred — aka “hoes mad.”
STD rates are exploding and hitting record highs but it’s “irresponsible” to tell people to wait until marriage.
A number of upcoming talks in Ireland by well-known Catholic chastity speaker Jason Evert — two of them at Catholic schools — have been abruptly canceled, allegedly because the speaker upholds Catholic teaching on homosexuality and contraception.
Evert is a founder of The Chastity Project and gives talks around the world on sexual ethics – discussing issues such as marriage, dating, pornography, homosexuality and contraception. He and his wife Crystalina claim to have spoken to “more than one million people on six continents about the virtue of chastity”.
Misogynistic men who identify as part of the “Involuntary Celibate” movement are domestic terrorism threats, according to a new report.
The Texas Department of Public Safety included the warning in their 2020, “Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment” (PDF).
The Texas Department of Public Safety released a domestic terrorism threat assessment that identifies incels as an emerging domestic terror threat.
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) January 11, 2020
“Although not a new movement, Involuntary Celibates (Incels) are an emerging domestic terrorism threat as current adherents demonstrate marked acts or threats of violence in furtherance of their social grievance,” the report noted. “Once viewed as a criminal threat by many law enforcement authorities, Incels are now seen as a growing domestic terrorism concern due to the ideological nature of recent Incel attacks internationally, nationwide, and in Texas.”
“What begins as a personal grievance due to perceived rejection by women may morph into allegiance to, and attempts to further, an Incel Rebellion. The result has thrust the Incel movement into the realm of domestic terrorism,” the report explained.
“The violence demonstrated by Incels in the past decade, coupled with extremely violent online rhetoric, suggests this particular threat could soon match, or potentially eclipse, the level of lethalness demonstrated by other domestic terrorism types,” the report warned.
Remember: there is no agenda here, folks!
Let’s hear from the professionals, shall we?
(Chuck Muth) – A disturbing videotaped police interview of Alek Minassian – the man who drove a rental van into a crowd of people in Toronto, killing ten – was released to the public by the trial judge last week.
According to a report in The Guardian, Minassian “told police officers that he was a virgin who had never had a girlfriend” and “belonged to an online subculture of sexually frustrated men” who are “unable to get laid.”
“Minassian told police that his interactions with women left him embarrassed and angry,” The Guardian reported. “He described a Halloween party in 2013, where he tried to speak with young women, but was often ignored or laughed at.”
His trial is scheduled for February.
Minassian said he’d been “radicalized” around the same time that Elliot Rodger, described as an “involuntary celibate,” murdered six people and killed himself at the University of California, Santa Barbara in 2014.
In a video produced before his rampage, Elliot said “he wanted to punish women for rejecting him, and punish sexually active men because he envied them.”
This is all so unnecessary.
First, the desire for sex is a strong and powerful human need that is not restricted to attractive, charming individuals. The abolitionists’ screed that society can “end demand” is folly at best; deadly at worst.
There are all manner of men desiring sex who “can’t get laid” in a bar or nightclub for a variety of reasons: elderly gentlemen, men with disabilities, unattractive men and socially awkward men. What’s their option?
Well, in Nevada we have legal brothels.
I’ll never forget the afternoon that late Assemblyman Dennis Hof and I returned from a campaign event to his Moonlite Bunny Ranch brothel.
Sitting in the parlor on a sofa next to an extremely attractive woman was a young man who appeared to be in his 30’s and clearly afflicted with at least a mild level of autism. When he saw Dennis, his face lit up like a sunburst and broke out in a smile a mile wide.
As was Dennis’ way, he sat down and talked with the young man for a while. Asked how he was doing. Asked if he was being treated well. And just had a nice conversation like a pair of good friends over a beer at happy hour.
After the encounter, Dennis explained to me that the young man’s mother brought him to the ranch every month or so – where the guy was treated like royalty by everyone there. They doted on him hand-and-foot and made the guy feel like the most important person on the planet.
That should be illegal?
Did his mom pay for the privilege? Absolutely.
Was it worth every penny to provide her son the joy of such intimate companionship he otherwise wouldn’t have in his life – if even for just a few hours? I think the answer is obvious.
Now, this might not be the solution you would choose in a similar circumstance. But who are we – society – to judge the decision of this individual’s mother?
And what if this option had been available to Rodger and Minassian in Santa Barbara and Toronto? What if we ENCOURAGED such experiences instead of stigmatizing them? Would the innocent people slain by their hands be alive today?
We’ll never know.
There’s a LOT more to Nevada’s legal brothel story than meets the eye. Let’s hope the Nevada Legislature’s Brothel Study Committee looks beyond the abolitionists’ puritan propaganda and considers the WHOLE picture.
Mr. Muth is president of Citizen Outreach, a limited-government grassroots advocacy organization, and government affairs counsel to the Nevada Brothel Association. His views are his own.
For the record, we do know that Elliot Rodger, at least, did have the offer from his dad to head to Nevada, but he turned it down because he said he wanted a relationship; furthermore, this is what he wrote in his manifesto about the subject:
It has the same effect as hiring a prostitute, I imagine. It temporarily feels good for the moment, but afterward it makes one feel like a pathetic loser for having to hire a girl when other men could get the experience for free.
He was wrong. Clearly, if he thought that hiring a prostitute was a greater indignity than making a video about being a 22-year-old virgin, hated by females, and then going on a killing spree ending in his own suicide, then his perspective was all out of whack – there’s no debate about that. Bloodshed was the result in his case because he was on the fringe, not so much in the sense of sexual inexperience, but in the sense of being unstable and psychotic…but was he really on the fringe regarding his perspective about how bad of an idea prostitution is, even for a guy like him? No, that attitude is actually quite mainstream, but it will obviously never come to a head for anyone who gets sex in a “normal” way. For incels, especially those who look at approaching birthdays as deadlines in terms of their virginity “problem”, it is going to come to a head, and we can’t expect that they’re all going to choose the lesser of two evils. If and when they choose the greater of two evils, it seems that the totally unmeasured moral conditioning at the center of the prostitution stigma is at least partly to blame.
Anyone who has spent any time on their forums knows that there is a resistance to prostitution among most incels, and it’s usually the same as Elliot Rodger’s excuse: they want a relationship, and by extension, female validation. Sure, if you pay for it, you’re not really being accepted and validated by a female in the traditional, romantic storybook kind of way, and that’s what we’re all supposed to be striving for, right? When you consider that sex is ultimately the currency of female validation, then it’s pretty easy to see why there is such a moral outrage about prostitution, because it’s basically a work-around for guys whom no females will validate. As the late Dennis Hof said, “Sex is like a joke: some get it and some don’t, and those who don’t come here [the Bunny Ranch].”
You see, the noncels who are against prostitution claim that it’s all about stopping victimization, blah blah blah…but it’s really about preventing certain guys from getting the ultimate currency without the validation. Sex, they believe, should only be given to a worthy man (traditionally in marriage only, but that’s been passé for 50 years now – let’s face it, the exchange of genital fluids was always more central than that of rings, legal documents and slices of cake). A lack of sexual experience, resulting from being unanimously invalidated by females, has always been a stick that non-virgins, both male and female, use to beat virgin males over the head. That’s what this game has always been about. Prostitution takes that stick away from those people, and they see that as unfair because it’s like buying a trophy that they (think) they had to earn by being worthy.
When you look at the arguments that people and organizations make for outlawing legal and regulated Nevada prostitution, they are always one or a combination of the following: religious arguments (the non-libertarian theocratic variety), conflation with illegal prostitution and human trafficking, feminist arguments about “objectification”, and the typical Social Marxism “intersectionality” grievances. In the face of Nevada’s unbeatable record of hygiene, personal safety and tax revenue from legal prostitution, these people bend over backwards, twist common sense up like a pretzel, and do logical somersaults to argue for why it needs to be stopped. As with most things, if it’s such a straight-forward issue, it wouldn’t be hard for them to explain their position and debunk opposing arguments; but the thing is that they’re not being straight-forward about what really motivates them. In most cases, they probably don’t even realize themselves why they’re so against it…but that’s what it’s really all about: they don’t want unattractive guys to get laid.
Now, here’s where it gets dangerous… The stigma around prostitution – beyond the mere legalization issue, but against exercising it, at all costs – has seeped into the subconscious of the majority (at least outside of Nevada, where people understand it). Many in that majority are incels. Some of those incels, on the fringes, will not get this cognitive issue untangled before something bad happens. In most cases, that bad thing will be suicide. In some cases, it will be more.
When it comes to the question of whether or not lives could have been saved if Elliot Rodger, Alek Minassian, et al would have partook in prostitution, that’s a definite yes, even if the perpetrators themselves wouldn’t have agreed. I would say that even the non-virgin “Gym Killer”, George Sodini, would not have gone over the edge in 2009, had he not been a prisoner of the female validation mind-game. At least in the case of Elliot Rodger, we know that legality (within practical distance) and money were not the barriers; the barrier for him was in the mind – the trap of female validation and sex that all of these incel spree killers couldn’t find their way out of.
People, here’s the secret…
The point of sex isn’t female validation.
Rather, the point of female validation is sex.
Per the natural order, validation is the means and sex is the end, not the other way around.
If that’s not the case, then why is it such a big deal when a guy’s wife won’t have intercourse with him anymore? Why isn’t the state marriage license he signed years ago, now in the dusty shoe box at the top of the closet, all the validation he needs? Better yet, why is it that a marriage isn’t really considered official until it is consummated?
You have to realize that this natural, original and honest paradigm has been turned on its head, making sex the means, and female validation the end – only then can you understand how and why we live in a world where virgin guys will commit mass murder before going to a prostitute. I’m telling you, it makes no sense any other way of looking at it.
I’ll conclude this with an except from an article, which includes a historian’s analysis of the words of St. Thomas Aquinas on prostitution and why it should be legal…
it would seem obvious that Aquinas would want to engage every force against them, especially civil law. Oddly enough he does not. Instead he notes that the state should allow fornication and prostitution to exist for the sake of the common good. Relying on the well-known passage from Augustine’s De ordine, Aquinas advocates tolerance of prostitution by noting: “Accordingly in human government also, those who are in authority rightly tolerate certain evils, lest certain goods be lost, or certain evils be incurred: thus Augustine says [De ordine 2.4]: ‘If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust.’” If these social practices were to be suppressed, the public reaction might be such as to threaten the peace of society.
It seems the peace is now threatened.
Lucy was never, ever going to let Charlie Brown kick that football.
And that golden unicorn NAWALT female you’re talking to online? Same thing.
I was reminded of how this goes, in talking to a young man online today. Our first interaction was a few days ago, when he challenged my open endorsement of MGTOW, and lectured me that there are still “good women” out there. At first, I was thinking that this was another typical married tradcon who didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground about incel life, but then he tells me that he used to be MGTOW himself; then he asked me to give a message to a certain female – who frequents this same forum – that he misses her and is glad she’s okay. I started to realize what he meant… This particular female is, from all I could tell, pretty close to the “golden unicorn” or “golden NAWALT” archetype: 26 years old, blonde, model material, politically conservative, owns an AR-15, is a Christian, knows how to cook, is a virgin, holds a Ph.D. and has a respectable career… To top it all off, she’s not a catty bitch – she’s always your friend. Yeah, imagine it. Oh I know what you’re thinking…as the old saying goes, even the most beautiful girl in the world…some man somewhere is sick of her bullshit; but from what I could tell about her (granted, not a whole lot) you’re probably not going to find anything closer to the true golden NAWALT than this. Fortunately for me, I’m old enough and jaded enough not to get my own hopes up, and my own rule about not exchanging contact information with females online was upheld; but we couldn’t say the same for this young man. He and I got to talking about the situation, and he wouldn’t go into detail, except to say that he and her got “extremely close” and were talking to each other all the time…but, only online, not in person. He said that they didn’t have a falling out per se, but that they were now incommunicado – clearly something happened but he wouldn’t get into it, and I didn’t press him. Simply put, he misses her, and he’s hurting.
I told him of the time when I was talking to a female over the internet whom I thought I was really clicking with, even to the point where we were having phone calls up to 12 hours long. I told him how, right about the time when we were in serious talks for me to get on a plane and go to her, she threw an out-of-nowhere curve ball provocation at me, blew it all up, and ties were suddenly cut. It’s like one of those videos of the guy carrying the big cake, and someone sticks their foot out and trips him. For me, this would have been a survivable incident, were it not for the fact that right at the same time, I was in between medications and went through what I now realize was a really bad serotonin crash. My emotional stability and rational thinking was badly compromised right at the wrong time, and to make a long story short, I was absolutely convinced that she had committed suicide. At no time before or since have I been that low, or cried my eyes out like that. Relief didn’t come until she gave me a much appreciated fuck-you e-mail the next day. One might think that it’s a shame to have had my social and psychiatric states both go bad at the same time like that, but the severity of it kept me from ever forgetting it. I don’t know how much of that I was able to impress upon this young man, because it’s hard to be talked out of sadness, but it’s a good opportunity to reflect on these things.
Now, let’s get down to business, and lay out the rules of how this long-distance, internet siren stuff works:
These females are nothing but internet sirens. It’s not as if they are “evil” necessarily, but nonetheless, they pose a real practical hazard for incels, and frankly, they should be avoided. They’re getting their emotional and psychological needs met by stringing along guys who are hundreds or thousands of miles away, and then discarding them and moving on to others who will simp them. Do they even know the harm they cause? Guys…that doesn’t even matter. They’re not going to stop, and so the admonishment remains: don’t get entangled with them. You see, they’re basically like what used to be called tarts – females who had a reputation for being temptresses, sluts, and running guys around – except that these ones don’t even have to make any physical contact with the poor suckers who get caught in the vortex. It’s all good, clean fun now, thanks to technology. Back in the old days, all civilizations across the globe understood the harm that female behavior like this caused…but that lore is long forgotten, and people these days don’t even recognize it as such because there’s no in-person contact, and so it’s assumed to be harmless. Everyone has been re-educated into thinking that all of the liabilities of promiscuity come in the form of disease and pregnancy, so they think this is all harmless. I guess it is harmless, for the females; the males incur real damage from it, but who cares? They don’t matter. Males are disposable. These guys are unattractive anyway, and as we’ve heard, they “nice guy” is actually sinister, so I guess deserve it – just more good pussy for Chad & Tyrone.
Anyway, the truth is that even if you do find that NAWALT unicorn, it doesn’t mean anything for you personally. All you’ll know is how good of a wife some other guy is going to get – some tall, cocky beefcake with his hat on backwards. But how do you know? The most practical way to tell is not by looking at her, but looking at yourself, and realizing where you fit in the game. You don’t even have to get out the tape measure, and see tall you are (you though I was going to say measure your dick, didn’t you…heh) or take a personality test to find out if you’re a bad boy or a milquetoast “nice guy” – all you need to do is an assessment of your own relationship history: if you’ve been a sub-beta up to this point, like a gamma or omega incel…nothing is going to change. It’s not going to happen. When you meet what you think is the “perfect woman” online, it doesn’t matter – you’re going to watch her come and then go, just like all the others. You’re not going to meet her in real life, the planets are not going to align… After she vanishes into the digital ether, you’re going to be right back where you started: incel. In fact, you will have never left where you started! Even if she makes you think that you stand out in her eyes, and you’ve actually got a chance, you don’t. It’s not going to happen.
People probably think I’m saying this stuff to smash dreams. No, I’m not. If I can save even one guy from touching that hot stove, yet again, it’s all worth it.
What can I say? When I see guys out there – good men like the one I mentioned at the beginning of this – it pains me to see the same script played out yet again. Someone has to say something. I know what he was feeling…it reminds me of an old song…
The upshot is this: using data from Tinder and OKCupid, we have discovered that men peg roughly 50% of females as above-average attractiveness, and the remaining 50% below – a bull’s eye shot of reasonable judgment; meanwhile, females peg roughly 80% of men as below-average attractiveness. When male attractiveness is weighted by average income level, and compared to the same figures for females in a transfer function, we can now see that a large percentage of females must necessarily think that they are far above the level of sexual market value than that of their boyfriend/husband – they think they’re marrying down (hypogamy), in a bad way, which inevitably leads to marriage and relationship instability and doom.
Unlike the author, Colttain, I’m not going to rely on this model to compete with other theories that explain the breakdown of gender relations, but rather to complement them. Between this and other solid insights, we have more than enough to understand what happened between the genders and what accounts for the rise of incel and MGTOW. This is a very large piece of the puzzle, delineated more clearly than ever before, but it doesn’t tell the whole story. While this interpretation of innate sexually dymorphic psychology, as he puts it, explains what you could think of as the water filling the reservoir, the sexual and divorce revolutions of the past 50 years describe the dam, holding that water, giving way. While some married men managed to stay afloat in the reservoir (more power to them), divorced men are the ones washed downstream in the flood, and some of them drown; incels are the ones left sinking in the mud at the opposite end of the half-emptied reservoir, and some will tragically suffocate there; and MGTOW is the high and dry ground, for those who manage to reach it.
Just as F. Roger Devlin has said, female sexuality has been liberated. It has been turned loose, to go in whatever direction it wants. Millions of men were going to end up getting hit by the consequences.
Interview with incel celebrity “Egg White” or “Egg Man”, on how an online noncel mob falsely accused him of the Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon, followed by the news media coming after him – the incel fugitive.
There is a price to pay for being at once outspoken and lacking female validation.
Most know Egg White for this…
Just watch. You won’t fucking believe this. This is like a parody. But it’s not. This is real life. Follow the subtext, because everything else about it makes less-than-zero sense.
I mean, there are so many things one could say about this…so many points could be made here. I don’t even know where to begin. Should I make a short list?
It’s hard to know whether to rejoice or mourn after seeing this. If her father ever sees this, he’ll hill himself. Actually he probably doesn’t even know her. He probably is a dirt bag who doesn’t give a shit.
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